In his posting on “the full monty … (of discipleship),” Alan Hirsch offers a helpful Venn diagram on Hebraic epistemology as where all three “ortho’s” overlap: orthodoxy (right beliefs), orthopraxy (right actions), and orthopathy (right feelings).
While I find his graphic somewhat helpful, actually I’d like to push back on this ortho-vennography. I am coming from a slightly different set of assumptions. I believe there are two additional core realms to consider beyond just mind, emotions, and will, and that these are consistent with a Hebraic epistemology.
I think this view is best summarized by a preacher-theologian-author who was somewhat known in his time (1920s to 1950s), but now has been mostly forgotten. He stated:
“A basic trouble is that most Churches limit themselves unnecessarily by addressing their message almost exclusively to those who are open to religious impression through the intellect, whereas … there are at least four other gateways – the emotions, the imagination, the aesthetic feeling, and the will – through which they can be reached.” A. J. Gossip (1873-1954)
[Sidenote: How often do we get to pass on Gossip and it not be a sin?! You heard it here first …]
Anyway, is it possible that this Venn diagram needs at least two other circles – to represent the imagination and the aesthetic feeling? I see imagination as a crucial dimension of our immaterial being. Imagination relates to our abilities to perceive unseen things (and thus is tied to hope, perseverance, and other such theological realities in the fulfillment of God’s personal and eschatological promises), as well as to creativity and the bringing forth concrete realities from abstract concepts. I see aesthetic feeling as equating both to aesthetics in beauty and to balance in paradox, but that is my sense of the term, not necessarily Gossip’s.
Also, what would happen if the approach were changed from a two-dimensional diagram to a three-dimensional model? I keep thinking that since orthodoxy is “right belief,” what is the term for “righteous wisdom”? What if wisdom actually includes righteous principles rightly applied in situations where it is not necessarily just a moral issue of right-and-wrong? Could it be that wisdom is the actually the realm of overlap among the three ortho-circles in Alan’s diagram? And so, would a more comprehensive and integrated model have the overlap area as the heart or wisdom (both central to Hebraic epistemology, in my understanding)?
Or perhaps even more than a pushback, what if there was a pushforward? How about switching to a three-dimensional and have five flexible and permeable ortho-spheres inside a much larger wisdom-sphere, where the goal is to expand each of the five smaller ortho-spheres to where they completely fill the wisdom-sphere, intermeshing and interacting with each other as they grow? This 3-D approach still allows for the overlapping of any two realms, as in a 2-D diagram, but also for the interpenetration among any number of the dimensions as we seek to have them filled up to the fullness of Christ.
Sorry if that’s hard to picture; I think in 3-D sometimes, and I realize not everyone does. It’s just a providential learning style thing and I know my approach won’t make sense to everyone … but the same is also true in reverse, and that’s why 2-D seems literally too flat for me most times.)
Anyway, if we kept that picture in mind, perhaps it would be easier to meditate on how our orthopraxy might be fueled by our imagination into completely fresh directions and in boldly creative actions.
Or how our orthopathy might be both reigned in and released by the double realities of aesthetics. For instance, aesthetics as paradox might help us put strong emotions about grieving into the perspective of long-suffering so they do not completely overwhelm us in the here-and-now. Aesthetics as beauty would release us because emotions reflect a deep and wonderful aspect of God’s being and character, and our deep feelings resonate with His image.
Or how our orthodoxy might be challenged in new ways by aesthetics. For instance, we could be challenged to create a minimalist approach to reconstruction of theologies that reintegrates truth into a more “elegant” SYSTEM that maintains both consistency and integrity. This would not necessarily lose ANY truths, but would reframe them so they were reconnected, instead of disconnected as typically happens in Western SYSTEMATIC categorizing, which is based more on Greek analytical epistemology.
Anyway, much to think about, but the goal is still as Alan states: “I am convinced that if we are to come to a full appreciation of God, our thinking about him must be right, but it must be complemented by othopraxy and orthopathy if we are to come to a full-orbed, biblical, engagement with (and knowledge of) God.”
November 6, 2007 at 6:15 am
Hullo-o-o futuristguy or is it Super Camo-Man?
Here’s my take on your thoughts on Al’s proposal… so to speak!
I love your concept of developing an original 2-D diagram – when we are in the context of a 2-D space – to a 3-D model which causes us to imagine another context, another type of space.
I suspect what we are all missing – in trying to define “it” – is the multi-dimensional, non-linear, uniquely-creative (creating matter from non-matter) mysterious, unfathomable, elemental nature of God aspect!
There is a capacity hard-wired into the DNA of every human being, a potential in which truth resonates – it vibrates, it rings true! It is humanity at its core, created in the image of God, in the centre of Al’s Venn diagram, or the spheres of your imagination – is how Hebrew epistomology defines the human “heart.”
The heart has the capacity to “know” truth – even though we frequently lack the imagination, or the intellectual capacity, to accurately articulate what it is that is going on within us. Truth has a harmonic vibration, it rings at the natural frequency of the human heart, creating escalating cycles which shake off the tight bands of untruth that have formed around the heart… if we allow it!
From my perspective, rather than see the core as the culmination of the overlap of the circles, or the interconnect of the spheres, I see the circles as the emanation of the core, as humanity tries to articulate truth in different dimensions of our human experience. Truth is invested by God in the core of our being, then we begin the process of trying to articulate that truth in our thoughts, in our feelings and in our actions.
The truth is at the core – (as the Spirit of God, who is the Spirit of Truth, communes with the human spirit)- and then emanates outwards. So, Paul calls Jesus followers to renew our minds to a place of orthodoxy by lining our thoughts up with what is true at the core… We do what Jesus would do, by lining our actions up to be consistent with the heart… and use that same approach to aesthetics and imagination and whatever unique facet each individual brings… from the inside out. The seed that has taken root, results in fruit…
There’s more… but it’s late and I’m weary and I’m not even sure Im making sense any more…
Slainte
A Celtic Son
November 6, 2007 at 9:14 am
Good morning Brad, thanks for the reply over on my little space which I have not pushed outward yet.
I agree with what you are saying here if I understand it correctly. As a visual person, it is often very difficult to stamp a point in time (which is what you are doing in 2D) and call it the best possible process. 3D makes it live.
To me, this is similar to what we have done with the Bible in our interpretations of it. We take a language with a construct that suggests that we should be moving in a direction with our lives (I think they call it the future perfect?) and push it back into English which has not parallel construct and then are shocked when people pin the language up on a wall and use it as a daily target rather than a long term process goal with steps on the way. All of the ‘orthos’ that Alan has talked about in his blog and in his writings are goals, not things we have to totally engaged in now. The 3D option allows for this. Printing on pages and screens does not (at least easily).
Blessings!
November 6, 2007 at 10:31 am
g’morning Richard, and thanks for your thoughts. You’ve sparked a couple of thoughts in me as well.
First: Sometimes I wonder how much of our conflict with other people is due to unavoidable differences in learning styles … but we attribute it to things like, “Oh, they’re just old and stuffy” or “Why are they trying to control us?” or “They are SOOOOOO stupid!” When in fact, our contemptuous diagnosis of their not getting it is actually smack-back at God for creating the others different from us. For instance, by their learning styles, some people simply need to know a basic structure of what will happen in a worship service. If we take away the bulletin (“OMG … bulletins are so antiquated!”) then these people whom God loves are distracted from worship because He made them with a need to see the big-picture framework at a glance before they can get into the details. So, for the sake of our supposed coolosity, we disrespect the reality for their need of some orientation so they can enter into worship.
Second: Language is difficult. If God wanted Babel to succeed, we’d all be speaking the same language right now! (P.S. I doubt it would be English, either. In fact, extensive thought, study, and debate went on for decades in historical linguistics to ascertain the original human language … many suspected it was Hebrew, but that’s another story.) But He didn’t, and we have to grapple with the realities of translation. From my studies in linguistics, I realize that you can translate from word/phrase/sentence to word/phrase/sentence between languages with relative ease. It’s when we get to building paragraphs from sentences, and “discourses” or essays from paragraphs that it falls apart. Why? Because each language has it’s own rhetorical style, i.e., it’s own internal ways of processing information. And these do NOT transfer easily.
It’s a fascinating problem, and it relates deeply to the problems of cultural conflict, and contextualization. To give some examples (and sorry for the technical grammar stuff here, but thank the Lord for wikipedia!), Semitic languages frequently use pairs of items or phrases or sentences. Think Proverbs here. So, native speakers of Hebrew and Arabic often use COORDINATING conjunctions (and, but, or) to connect the co-existing items in those pairs. English is a very time-oriented language and we like to know the sequence in which something occurred. Thus, we have a full load of SUBORDINATING conjunctions to establish time or space order: before, during, after, since, while, therefore, etc. One of the most difficult transitions Semitic speakers have to make is to create an “internal worldview translator module” so they can understand our need for a particular kind of time-space ordering, and adjust from coordinating to subordinating conjunctions.
OMG. It’s been over 30 years since first studying language, “logic,” and rhetoric, and it’s still rattling ’round in muh brain!
Anyway, back to Alan’s post – right on, Bro. Richard. And I also know that your post on the importance of obedience-oriented learning (The Balance between Faith and Works) fits right with what Alan’s saying. If we’re not approaching all of this with the sincere desire to follow Christ and be conformed in our entire being according to His image, then what’s it all for?
November 6, 2007 at 11:12 am
Okay, brethren…isn’t this a great conversation! I am glad for each of you and for what you contribute. I am, however, still processing this and I’m sure something will pop out over at my place in some kind of manner soon…(hmmm…let’s see what “soon” means to folks)
November 6, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Brad, great post and good development of the ideas. The only cautions I give to aesthetics and imagination is that the bible can be a tad more suspicious about these as they lend themselves more directly to idolatrous impulses. When the bible mentions either, it is with some reserve…often with negative connotations.
Hey, but I’m for both…redeemed and directed towards the holy.
November 6, 2007 at 12:52 pm
Hi Alan, and thanks for the feedback and wise cautions. We surely have enough flawed and counterfeit senses of beauty, and “vain imaginations,” surrounding us already – in ourselves, our churches, and our cultures! And definitely yes – redeemed and being sanctified, best trajectory for “ortho-everything”!
I think part of the wrestling with the true and righteous in integrous lives involves biblical theology studies in the Hebrew words used for the immaterial parts of our humanity. On Peggy’s post about the meaning of orthopathy, I suggested Franz Delitzsch’s book, A System of Biblical Psychology as a potential source for this deeper look.
Thanks again, Alan. Looking forward to crossing paths in person again with you and Debs eventually …
November 6, 2007 at 9:47 pm
…books and more books…of the procuring and reading of books there is no end… ;^( Perhaps I must just continue to be patient in my current suffering, and you all must be patient with me as well, trusting that God will provide both time and inspiration for the dozens of books to which I have been introduced in this wonderfully rich environment, brethren!
luvyerwork…all of you!
November 7, 2007 at 3:58 am
Brad, can I introduce 6D Calabi-Yau spaces?
November 7, 2007 at 8:18 am
2D or not 3D, that is the question.
Lead on, MattStone!
November 7, 2007 at 11:54 pm
I’m not even going to ask what 6D Calabi-Yau spaces are, bro….I figure I’ll find out soon enough, eh?
November 24, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Commenting on this dimensional chit-chat:
An Anglican clergyman, Abbott, dedicated his book, Flatland, to those who would explore the fourth, fifth and even sixth dimensions.
I think Abbott was talking as much theology as mathematics.